Thursday, November 29, 2007

John McCain Gets Owned by Ron Paul at the CNN/YouTube Debate

Big John McCain, who's campaign is spiraling into the abyss of nothingness, has decided to go ahead and attempt to attack the man who has taken over as the new "maverick", Ron Paul.
Unfortunately for McCain, he looked like an idiot in his attempt to challenge Congressman Paul.
I believe the initial question asked to McCain was about the IRS or the income tax. However this didn't stop McCain from launching into a diatribe about how Paul's policies are "isolationist" and inferred that "That kind of isolationism caused World War II". I love how McCain used that line about how he had Thanksgiving dinner with the troops and according to him they said that they wanted our leaders to "let them win". Give me a fucking break McCain, how long were you waiting to use your totally canned "thanksgiving with the troops" line. I bet he's confused. It was probably one of his Blackwater guards that told him that. Anyway, one of the best parts of this exchange was the mannerism of Congressman Paul while McCain was experiencing his diarrhea of the mouth. While McCain kept lying and distorting, Paul just looked and him with a smile and shook his head as if to say, "Jesus John, even you don't believe what you're saying". Classic. Gotta love those boos from the insane. Here's the clip:


The Swan said...

Maybe it's just me, but I thought the World War II reference was an oblique reference to the neo-Nazisupport Paul is receiving, for which he's been taken to task by his fellows.

The Arm said...

That whole "There are racists and Neo-Nazis that support Ron Paul, Oh My God, he must be one too" routine is tired and old, not to mention totally devoid of any rationale. That's like raiding a Neo-Nazi's home and finding a Metallica cd, then going after Metallica because they have "Neo-Nazi Fans". Ri-fuckin-diculous. Besides I don't think McCain has enough "maverick" in him to think up such an "oblique reference", and we know he can't afford any writers right now.

Kill 'em All said...

If you took the time to read the article, Arm, you would see that Huffington goes out of her way to NOT associate Paul with the ideas of some of his supporters. I don't think this article is disparaging toward Paul or Metallica at all. What I think you wanted to say to Swan is that he, not McCain, is making an oblique reference to a small section of Paul's supporters, and the fact is that neo-Nazis, like Black Panthers and Orthodox Jews, and Communists, and Right to Life-ers, and Death With Dignity-ers, and thousands of other "fringe" groups have the right to think the way they do and vote for whomever they wish because this is America. As long as these people don't commit crimes against the people they are opposed to, they can believe whatever they like. This is Liberty (and Libertarianism) at its foundation.

You're welcome.

The Swan said...

Actually, no. I wasn't calling Paul a Neo-Nazi, nor endorsing the meme that he's tainted by taking their money. I was giving a cynical (and I'd argue accurate) reading of the political scene.

When George Bush mentioned the Dred Scot case in the '04 debates, that was code for 'Repeal Roe v. Wade'. I was suggesting that by invoking WWII, McCain was making a coded snipe at Paul and his neo-Nazi money. How can words like 'isolationism' and 'appeasement' not resonate in that way given the recent stories about Pauls' neo-Nazi supporters?

That's how politics works, folks. You rarely say what's on your mind. Rather, you say something oblique, but which dovetails with your real point. If you say what you honestly think in this country, people say you're crazy. Just look at the narrative on Ron Paul if you disagree.

And, by the way "Kill 'em all", no where did I suggest that thousands of "fringe" groups don't have the right to think the way they do and vote for whomever they wish. Of course they do. You're right. This is America. But only a fucking nutbag with blinders would think that America is a place where political calculations don't matter. Just because YOU don't think it's a problem that Ron Paul takes money from neo-Nazis doesn't mean that thousands of "mainstream" voters agree with you. Insofar as Nazis are generally thought of as bad guys, then it DOES pose a political problem for Ron Paul.

Political problems needn't be rooted in facts, and what's 'right' or 'true' or 'proper' or 'best suited to the ideals of liberty' rarely matters. What matters is perceptions, and for most people in this country Nazis are bad, and taking money from bad people is bad.

Politics. Get it?

The Arm said...

Actually, Kill em All, I did read the article. And if you did too then you would know that Ariana Huffington didn't write that article, Thomas Edsall did. I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate you calling him "her". Anyways, what I was getting at was that, sure, there are one or two sentences that say the obvious about how Paul can't control this kind of support and doesn't endorse it etc. But, the rest of the meat of this article is all long quotes from these freaks (neo-nazis, racists, white supremacists, etc. It seems like Edsall spends more time quoting these idiots in the article than he does, as you say, "go out of (her) way to NOT associate Paul with the ideas of some of his supporters".
If that were really the case the article would be twice as long.
Besides, why is it that Huffington Post decides to write about this non-issue as its only article about Ron Paul when you could touch on his winning every debate poll, raising more money from active duty military personel, or raising 4.3 million dollars in one day? Hell, if you want to write about supporters of this candidate, why not write about how diverse the supporters are as a whole. Men, Women, African-American, Hispanic, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Greens, Libertarians all seem to be coming together for this one candidate. Why not write about that instead of pairing the words Ron Paul with "neo-nazi" and "white supremacist" through a loose association.
And, if you don't mind, don't tell me what you "think" I meant to say. I said exactly what I wanted to say. I don't think that The Swan was making the reference, I think he was saying McCain was making the reference. I commented mostly on the trashiness of the article's subject no matter how "supportive" it may have appeared to Ron Paul.
You can put makeup on a pig but in the end its still a pig.

Kill em all is a great album though.

You're Welcome...

moneymonk said...

Nothing changes.
Fucking Nazis.
They were Nazis, Dude?
Come on, Donny, they were threatening castration!

Are you gonna split hairs?


Am I wrong?


They're nihilists.


They kept saying they believe in

Nihilists! Jesus.

Walter looks haunted.

Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Walter Sobchak said...

Shomer Shobbos!